(0:00) Intro to this episode

(1:34) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel.

(2:21) Start of interview

(3:19) Joele Frank's origin story

(5:02) Anne Chapman's origin story

(8:41) The history and focus of the firm Joelle Frank (now has ~250 people, with offices in NYC and SF).

(12:46) Shareholder activism in today's market

(15:52) The Exxon Mobil activism case [see E28 with Aiesha Mastagni from CalSTRS, starting at 23:27]

(18:17) Say-on-Pay and Executive Compensation Dynamics "compensation is a real emotional topic"

(21:27) On mega grants.

(23:17) The evolution of M&A in shareholder activism

(25:44) Geopolitical Tensions in the Boardroom. Examples: US Steel (Golden share by US), MP Materials (10% equity stake).

(28:38) Evolution of ESG/DEI, including boardroom diversity.

(33:00) AI, PBCs, and Governance Challenges. Is it a bubble? Concern about ethical AI.

(38:35) Case Study: Norfolk's Proxy Fight. Digital component to increase retail component of the vote.

(44:14) How activists are proposing more qualified directors to boards (focus on individual directors post universal proxy rules).

(48:50) The Changing Landscape of Board Composition

(49:55) The Importance of Board Evaluations

(51:45) On the "stay private or go public" debate

Joele Frank is the founder and Managing Partner of Joele Frank. Anne Chapman is a Managing Director at Joele Frank.

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Joele Frank and Anne Chapman: Strategic Communications, Activism, and Governance

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein