In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, host Lenny Rachitsky interviews Nicole Forsgren, an expert in developer experience (DevEx) and engineering productivity. They discuss how AI is changing the way software development is measured and managed. Forsgren emphasizes that traditional productivity metrics like lines of code are becoming obsolete with AI-generated code. She introduces the concept of DevEx, which encompasses productivity, engineering happiness, and flow state. The conversation covers strategies for measuring productivity gains from AI, the importance of trust in AI-generated code, and the need to rethink workflows and team structures. Forsgren also shares practical advice for companies looking to improve their DevEx, including listening to developers, addressing process inefficiencies, and focusing on business value. She introduces her upcoming book, "Frictionless," which provides a seven-step process for removing barriers to value delivery in the age of AI.
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