164: Oak Cliff Swipers

Jack interviews Nathan Michael, who recounts his life of crime, starting from selling Diablo 2 items as a teen to running a large-scale credit card fraud operation. Nathan describes growing up in a rough neighborhood, getting involved in scams, and eventually leading a crew that stole credit card information from gas pumps and a Chicken Express. He details how they printed fake credit cards, recruited shoppers, and resold stolen goods. The story covers his multiple arrests, prison sentences, and struggles with drug addiction, as well as the impact of his actions on his family. Despite his criminal past, Nathan expresses a desire to help others and use his skills for good, particularly in the realm of cybersecurity and protecting against AI and robots.