From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author) | Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (private feed for websong16@gmail.com)

In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, Lenny interviews Julie Zhuo, former head of design for the Facebook app and author of "The Making of a Manager," about the evolving role of managers in the age of AI, the shift towards individual contributors using AI tools, and how management skills translate to effectively working with AI agents. They discuss the flattening of organizations, the importance of data analysis, and timeless management lessons, including the importance of self-awareness, feedback, and creating win-win situations. Julie also shares personal anecdotes about using AI in her own life, such as creating personalized gifts for her children.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (private feed for websong16@gmail.com)

Introduction to AI's Impact on Management and the Flattening of Organizations

The Evolving Role of Managers in the Age of AI

Reflecting on the Success of "The Making of a Manager" and the Skills Needed for AI Integration

Essential Management Skills for Working with AI Systems

The Trend of Flattening Organizations and the Need for Managers in the Future

The Impact of AI on Traditional Roles and the Rise of the "Builder"

Restructuring Teams and Empowering Engineers in the Age of AI

AI Acceleration in Various Functions and the Importance of Personalized Learning

Practical Examples of AI-Accelerated Learning and Data Usage in Fast-Growing Companies

The Importance of Data Observability and New Methodologies for Conversational Analytics

Bridging the Gap Between Design and Data: Diagnosing with Data and Treating with Design

The Art of Interpretation and the Importance of Understanding Reality

The Biggest Change in the Role of a Manager: Managing Change and Uncertainty

Embracing Change and the Importance of a Positive Mindset

Timeless Management Lessons: Managing Yourself and Understanding Your Strengths and Weaknesses

Recognizing Biases and Achieving Mastery Through Balance

Aligning Goals and Strategies: Deepening Strengths vs. Working on Weaknesses

Designing Your Career and the Importance of Communication with Your Manager

The Collaborative Relationship Between Manager and Employee

The Importance of Feedback as a Daily Practice

Delivering and Receiving Feedback Effectively

The Importance of Win-Win Situations in Management

The Importance of Energy and Conviction in Management

Navigating Disagreement and Finding Alignment

AI Corner: A Talking Raccoon

AI Corner: Personalized Parody Songs

Contrarian Corner: Infinity in Every Direction

Overcoming Challenges and Finding Richness in Every Situation

Book Recommendations: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Conscious Business, and Good Inside

Product Recommendations: Matic Robot and Limitless Pendant

Life Motto: Make It Happen

Advice for Kids in the Age of AI: Emotional Regulation

Conclusion and How to Connect with Julie Zhuo

From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (private feed for websong16@gmail.com)

00:00Introduction to AI's Impact on Management and the Flattening of Organizations

Introduction to AI's Impact on Management and the Flattening of Organizations

02:32The Evolving Role of Managers in the Age of AI

The Evolving Role of Managers in the Age of AI

05:21Reflecting on the Success of "The Making of a Manager" and the Skills Needed for AI Integration

Reflecting on the Success of "The Making of a Manager" and the Skills Needed for AI Integration

08:32Essential Management Skills for Working with AI Systems

Essential Management Skills for Working with AI Systems

11:10The Trend of Flattening Organizations and the Need for Managers in the Future

The Trend of Flattening Organizations and the Need for Managers in the Future

14:01The Impact of AI on Traditional Roles and the Rise of the "Builder"

The Impact of AI on Traditional Roles and the Rise of the "Builder"

17:24Restructuring Teams and Empowering Engineers in the Age of AI

Restructuring Teams and Empowering Engineers in the Age of AI

21:31AI Acceleration in Various Functions and the Importance of Personalized Learning

AI Acceleration in Various Functions and the Importance of Personalized Learning

24:34Practical Examples of AI-Accelerated Learning and Data Usage in Fast-Growing Companies

Practical Examples of AI-Accelerated Learning and Data Usage in Fast-Growing Companies

27:50The Importance of Data Observability and New Methodologies for Conversational Analytics

The Importance of Data Observability and New Methodologies for Conversational Analytics

31:42Bridging the Gap Between Design and Data: Diagnosing with Data and Treating with Design

Bridging the Gap Between Design and Data: Diagnosing with Data and Treating with Design

35:00The Art of Interpretation and the Importance of Understanding Reality

The Art of Interpretation and the Importance of Understanding Reality

37:34The Biggest Change in the Role of a Manager: Managing Change and Uncertainty

The Biggest Change in the Role of a Manager: Managing Change and Uncertainty

40:22Embracing Change and the Importance of a Positive Mindset

Embracing Change and the Importance of a Positive Mindset

42:43Timeless Management Lessons: Managing Yourself and Understanding Your Strengths and Weaknesses

Timeless Management Lessons: Managing Yourself and Understanding Your Strengths and Weaknesses

45:56Recognizing Biases and Achieving Mastery Through Balance

Recognizing Biases and Achieving Mastery Through Balance

49:03Aligning Goals and Strategies: Deepening Strengths vs. Working on Weaknesses

Aligning Goals and Strategies: Deepening Strengths vs. Working on Weaknesses

52:38Designing Your Career and the Importance of Communication with Your Manager

Designing Your Career and the Importance of Communication with Your Manager

55:53The Collaborative Relationship Between Manager and Employee

The Collaborative Relationship Between Manager and Employee

58:04The Importance of Feedback as a Daily Practice

The Importance of Feedback as a Daily Practice

1:01:18Delivering and Receiving Feedback Effectively

Delivering and Receiving Feedback Effectively

1:05:33The Importance of Win-Win Situations in Management

The Importance of Win-Win Situations in Management

1:09:12The Importance of Energy and Conviction in Management

The Importance of Energy and Conviction in Management

1:11:47Navigating Disagreement and Finding Alignment

Navigating Disagreement and Finding Alignment

1:15:41AI Corner: A Talking Raccoon

AI Corner: A Talking Raccoon

1:17:55AI Corner: Personalized Parody Songs

AI Corner: Personalized Parody Songs

1:20:20Contrarian Corner: Infinity in Every Direction

Contrarian Corner: Infinity in Every Direction

1:22:24Overcoming Challenges and Finding Richness in Every Situation

Overcoming Challenges and Finding Richness in Every Situation

1:23:34Book Recommendations: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Conscious Business, and Good Inside

Book Recommendations: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Conscious Business, and Good Inside

1:27:30Product Recommendations: Matic Robot and Limitless Pendant

Product Recommendations: Matic Robot and Limitless Pendant

1:29:34Life Motto: Make It Happen

Life Motto: Make It Happen

1:31:03Advice for Kids in the Age of AI: Emotional Regulation

Advice for Kids in the Age of AI: Emotional Regulation

1:33:41Conclusion and How to Connect with Julie Zhuo

Conclusion and How to Connect with Julie Zhuo