Chris Williamson interviews Stephen J. Shaw about the global decline in birth rates, a topic Shaw has been researching for nine years. Shaw reveals his findings, emphasizing that no nation has recovered from long-term low birth rates. They discuss the impact of their previous conversation on the topic, the importance of understanding the implications of declining birth rates, and the fallacy of the "too many people" argument. Shaw explains that the decline impacts social care, pension systems, and healthcare, and worries about the social implications, referencing Detroit and Japan as examples. The conversation explores the concept of "reproductive synchrony," the driving factors behind the vitality curve, and the cultural interpretation of having children. They also touch on antinatalism, the macro impacts of declining population size, the limitations of IVF and adoption, and potential interventions. Shaw shares his concerns about the future and the need to support young parents.
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