Steven Bartlett interviews Deepak Chopra about suffering, transcendence, and finding joy. Chopra explains that suffering arises from resisting existence and confusing oneself with their ego or "avatar." He suggests shifting awareness from experience to the observer of experience, which leads to transcendence. Chopra advocates for creativity as a means to disrupt deterministic patterns and emphasizes the importance of daily habits like sleep, meditation, exercise, and mindful eating. He shares a personal story of childhood trauma and his journey to self-awareness, advocating for an education that prioritizes self-understanding and the pursuit of joy and wonder. He suggests playfulness as a way to regain innocence and connect with one's true self.
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