This Fresh Air podcast episode features two segments: a 1989 interview with R&B pioneer Johnny Otis, discussing his early career, discovering talent like Little Esther (Esther Phillips), the transition from R&B to rock and roll, and his experiences as a white musician in a predominantly black music scene; and a 1994 interview with R&B singer Etta James, who was discovered by Johnny Otis, where she discusses her early life, her transition from gospel to secular music, her signature style, overcoming drug addiction, and her album paying tribute to Billie Holiday. Both interviews include musical selections relevant to the discussion.
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