Tom Bilyeu interviews former CIA covert officers Andrew Bustamante and Jihi Bustamante about the dark arts of persuasion, power dynamics, and applying spy tactics to everyday life. They discuss manipulation techniques like "switch tracking," the balance between national security and individual freedoms, and the role of mythology in shaping national identity. Andrew shares insights from his time working with General Petraeus, while Jihi provides details on target profiling and the importance of understanding human behavior. They delve into the moral gray areas of espionage, the use of honeypots, and the psychological toll of living under cover. The conversation also touches on their book "Shadow Cell," the challenges of balancing family life with their careers, and their approach to parenting in a world filled with threats.
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