This podcast episode explores the concept of Ether as an "Internet bond" that can generate yield and serve as a global reference rate similar to Libor. It discusses the challenges and motivations behind the transition from traditional finance to cryptocurrency, and emphasizes the importance of addressing national security concerns and fostering innovation in the crypto space. The episode also delves into the tension between cryptocurrencies and political systems, and highlights the potential benefits and challenges of developing interest rate derivatives in the Ethereum ecosystem. It proposes CESR (Cryptoeconomic Security Rate) as a standardized benchmark for ETH staking and argues for its potential to revolutionize the financial industry by enabling sophisticated financial products and cementing Ethereum's status as a global reference rate.