This podcast episode explores the journey of Lukas Biewald from his early days of research in machine learning at Stanford to his current role as the co-founder and CEO of Weights and Biases. The discussion revolves around key themes such as the evolution of ML tools, the impact of large language models, the integration of LLMs into business, the potential benefits of ML in drug development, and the importance of developer-oriented ML tools. The speakers reflect on the struggles faced by researchers and companies in understanding and using machine learning tools, highlighting the need for streamlined and user-friendly solutions. The conversation also delves into topics related to the convergence of DevOps and MLOps, the rise of open-source ML platforms, and the challenges of gaining recognition for complex workflows in entrepreneurship.