🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)

This Latent Space podcast episode chronicles the journey of Windsurf, from its early days as ExaFunction to its acquisition by Cognition, featuring insights from past interviews with key figures like Varun Mohan and a recent discussion with Scott Wu (Cognition CEO) and Jeff Wang (Windsurf CEO). The conversation explores Windsurf's technology, its focus on AI-driven coding tools, and the strategic reasons behind the acquisition, while also addressing rumors and clearing the air around the deals. The speakers discuss the evolution of AI in software development, emphasizing the importance of developer experience, code-based intelligence, and the future of AI agents in coding, and also touch upon the business aspects, such as monetization strategies and the challenges of building a successful AI-driven company.

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Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

Introduction to the Cognition and Windsurf Acquisition

Varun Mohan on ExaFunction, Codium, and GPU Efficiency

Codium's Development, User Growth, and Differentiation

Copilot for X, Inference Scaling, and the Importance of Correctability

Model Size, Data Efficiency, and the Emergence of Intelligence

Token Limitations, Embedding Databases, and LLM Ops

Model Comparison, A/B Testing, and Favorite AI Products/Communities

Future of AI and Final Thoughts

Introduction to Devin, the AI Software Engineer

Kevin on Embeddings Stunting AI Agents and Codium's Approach

Codium's Vertical Integration and the Future of AI-First Products

Scott on the Early Makings of Devin and the Future of Software Engineering

The UX of Agents and the Changing Role of Software Engineers

Challenges and Questions for Devin

Launch of the Windsurf Editor

Codium's New Office and the Progress Since Last Latent Space Episode

Limitations of VS Code and Codium's Eval Process

Codium's Approach to Evals and the Importance of User Data

Remote Execution, Model Strategy, and the Importance of Domain Expertise

Enterprise Strategy and the Importance of Developer Love

Asynchronous Testing and the Value of Users

The Importance of a Strong Team and the Value of a Good Product

The Three P's of AI UX and the Importance of a Strong Team

The Importance of Core Competencies and the Future of Software Engineering

Introduction of Scott Wu and Jeff Wang, and the Acquisition of Windsurf by Cognition

Key People Involved in the Acquisition and the Urgency of the Deal

The Future of the Product and the Shared Philosophies of Cognition and Windsurf

The Competition with Cursor and the Importance of a Shared Vision

The Build vs. Buy Decision and the Importance of Core Competencies

The End of the Podcast

🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)

Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

00:00Introduction to the Cognition and Windsurf Acquisition

Introduction to the Cognition and Windsurf Acquisition

02:30Varun Mohan on ExaFunction, Codium, and GPU Efficiency

Varun Mohan on ExaFunction, Codium, and GPU Efficiency

10:37Codium's Development, User Growth, and Differentiation

Codium's Development, User Growth, and Differentiation

17:45Copilot for X, Inference Scaling, and the Importance of Correctability

Copilot for X, Inference Scaling, and the Importance of Correctability

25:29Model Size, Data Efficiency, and the Emergence of Intelligence

Model Size, Data Efficiency, and the Emergence of Intelligence

33:26Token Limitations, Embedding Databases, and LLM Ops

Token Limitations, Embedding Databases, and LLM Ops

41:41Model Comparison, A/B Testing, and Favorite AI Products/Communities

Model Comparison, A/B Testing, and Favorite AI Products/Communities

50:07Future of AI and Final Thoughts

Future of AI and Final Thoughts

52:15Introduction to Devin, the AI Software Engineer

Introduction to Devin, the AI Software Engineer

54:14Kevin on Embeddings Stunting AI Agents and Codium's Approach

Kevin on Embeddings Stunting AI Agents and Codium's Approach

1:03:03Codium's Vertical Integration and the Future of AI-First Products

Codium's Vertical Integration and the Future of AI-First Products

1:12:10Scott on the Early Makings of Devin and the Future of Software Engineering

Scott on the Early Makings of Devin and the Future of Software Engineering

1:17:14The UX of Agents and the Changing Role of Software Engineers

The UX of Agents and the Changing Role of Software Engineers

1:25:36Challenges and Questions for Devin

Challenges and Questions for Devin

1:31:15Launch of the Windsurf Editor

Launch of the Windsurf Editor

1:37:09Codium's New Office and the Progress Since Last Latent Space Episode

Codium's New Office and the Progress Since Last Latent Space Episode

1:42:45Limitations of VS Code and Codium's Eval Process

Limitations of VS Code and Codium's Eval Process

1:50:00Codium's Approach to Evals and the Importance of User Data

Codium's Approach to Evals and the Importance of User Data

1:57:16Remote Execution, Model Strategy, and the Importance of Domain Expertise

Remote Execution, Model Strategy, and the Importance of Domain Expertise

2:04:06Enterprise Strategy and the Importance of Developer Love

Enterprise Strategy and the Importance of Developer Love

2:11:25Asynchronous Testing and the Value of Users

Asynchronous Testing and the Value of Users

2:18:11The Importance of a Strong Team and the Value of a Good Product

The Importance of a Strong Team and the Value of a Good Product

2:25:36The Three P's of AI UX and the Importance of a Strong Team

The Three P's of AI UX and the Importance of a Strong Team

2:33:03The Importance of Core Competencies and the Future of Software Engineering

The Importance of Core Competencies and the Future of Software Engineering

2:43:04Introduction of Scott Wu and Jeff Wang, and the Acquisition of Windsurf by Cognition

Introduction of Scott Wu and Jeff Wang, and the Acquisition of Windsurf by Cognition

2:52:23Key People Involved in the Acquisition and the Urgency of the Deal

Key People Involved in the Acquisition and the Urgency of the Deal

3:04:00The Future of the Product and the Shared Philosophies of Cognition and Windsurf

The Future of the Product and the Shared Philosophies of Cognition and Windsurf

3:17:15The Competition with Cursor and the Importance of a Shared Vision

The Competition with Cursor and the Importance of a Shared Vision

3:23:31The Build vs. Buy Decision and the Importance of Core Competencies

The Build vs. Buy Decision and the Importance of Core Competencies

3:34:20The End of the Podcast

The End of the Podcast