"You can't put all your eggs in one basket. You can't have one citizenship as a Bitcoiner. You must have a hedge in place."

In this episode of THE Bitcoin Podcast, Walker America sits down with Katie Ananina, founder of Plan B Passport and now with CitizenX, to explore how Bitcoiners can secure their sovereignty by stacking second passports, leveraging flag theory, and opting out of failing nation-states.

Katie shares her incredible journey from pro athlete in post-Soviet Russia to U.S. immigrant, entrepreneur, and Bitcoin pioneer. She breaks down the sovereign individual thesis, the rise of Bitcoin citizenship programs like El Salvador’s, and why jurisdictions like Serbia, Argentina, and the Caribbean are leading the charge.

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EXODUS MAP: https://citizenx.com/exodus

They dive into:

• Why Bitcoiners need second citizenships before it’s too late • How nation-states are becoming subscription services • How governments are losing their monopoly on money and violence • Capital flight from socialist regimes like the UK and Canada • The future of microstates, borderless capital, and Bitcoin-based governance • How to acquire citizenship through investment, descent, or relocation

Plus: prepping vs doomering, raising free kids in Austin, and what would cause Katie to finally leave America.

📍If you care about sovereignty, Bitcoin, global mobility, or escaping the fiat clown world—this is a must-watch.

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