Jacinda Ardern on leading with empathy and overcoming self-doubt

In this episode of the "Rethinking" podcast, Adam Grant interviews Dame Jacinda Ardern, the former Prime Minister of New Zealand, about her leadership style, which emphasizes empathy and kindness. Ardern discusses her experiences with imposter syndrome, the challenges of leading during the COVID-19 pandemic, and her decision to step down as Prime Minister. She also touches on the importance of optimism, the role of empathy in leadership, and the need to maintain high expectations for politicians. The conversation explores the balance between decisive action and inclusive decision-making, as well as the personal toll of leadership driven by compassion and a sense of duty.