This podcast episode explores the dynamics, challenges, and potential economic implications of Ethereum's protocol upgrades and how they may shape the future of the network's economics. It delves into various aspects, including issuance, revenue, profitability, and monetary premium, while comparing Ethereum to Bitcoin and layer-two networks. The speakers introduce the concept of ultrasound money and discuss the sustainability and long-term outlook of Ethereum, considering factors such as staking rewards, burn mechanisms, and the upcoming EIP-4844 upgrade.