In this interview-style podcast, Chris Williamson and Anne-Laure Le Cunff explore the human aversion to uncertainty and its impact on decision-making, purpose, and mental well-being. Anne-Laure suggests experimenting to find direction in life, rather than obsessing over a specific purpose, and highlights the unreliability of predicting future preferences. The discussion covers cognitive scripts that influence choices, the evolutionary basis for avoiding uncertainty, and compensatory control theory. They also discuss the usefulness of embracing liminal spaces for self-discovery, the importance of self-complexity to avoid burnout, and the concepts of chronos versus kairos time to manage time anxiety. The conversation touches on practical strategies for leveraging cognitive biases, designing environments for better sleep, and the impact of dopamine loops on daily habits.