This podcast episode explores the complexities surrounding Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) and their impact on civil liberties, privacy, and financial inclusion. The guest speaker, Rohan Grey, emphasizes the importance of public cash and advocates for a state-sponsored digital cash instrument that mirrors the features of physical cash, prioritizing privacy, accessibility, and offline capabilities. The episode delves into the key actors involved in the CBDC debate, including the Treasury, Fed, and Congress, and analyzes the motivations and positions of various stakeholders. It also highlights the challenges posed by CBDCs and the potential for collaboration between crypto advocates and supporters of public cash like eCash.