In this interview podcast, Dwarkesh Patel interviews Arthur Kroeber, founder of Gavekal Dragonomics, about China's economic and political system and its relationship with the rest of the world, particularly the United States. They discuss the implications of China's economic growth, its unique political system, and the potential for great power competition. Kroeber argues that while China's economic model has brought global benefits, it has also led to political and social disruptions in the US. They explore potential grand bargains between China and the rest of the world, focusing on trade, investment, and technology, particularly AI. They also discuss China's industrial policies, its debt problems, and the importance of understanding China's perspective and avoiding simplistic narratives. Kroeber emphasizes the need for open communication and engagement between the US and China to manage their complex relationship effectively.
