This podcast episode explores the future of Ethereum, focusing on scaling and fee reduction through the development of layer twos and enshrined rollups. The speakers discuss key concepts like Proposer-Builder Separation, encrypted mempools, MEV burn, and the long-term vision of a stateless, quantum-proof Ethereum network. They highlight the potential of ZK-powered solutions to enhance scalability, security, and censorship resistance. The podcast also dives into the monetary policy of Ethereum, emphasizing the role of cryptography in capturing economic value and the ongoing efforts to achieve sustainability.