In a timely true crime edition, Josh and Chuck delve into the perplexing case of the "Zizians," a group named after Ziz, a trans woman and central figure. They explore the group's origins within the rationalist movement in Silicon Valley, influenced by figures like Eliezer Yudkowsky, and their eventual divergence due to radical views on veganism and AI ethics. The podcast outlines the series of events, including the group's clash with the rationalist community, their relocation to Curtis Lynn's property in Vallejo, and the subsequent violent incidents, such as the attack on Lynn and the murder of Emma Baranian. The hosts also discuss the alleged faking of deaths by Ziz and Gwen Danielson, and the connections to other crimes across state lines, including a double murder in Pennsylvania and a shootout in Vermont, painting a picture of a complex and ongoing situation with numerous individuals involved and many questions still unanswered.
