Episode 422 is the sixth episode in the Hundred Year Pivot podcast series. In it, Demetri Kofinas and Grant Williams speak with Lawrence Fossi, about the recent fallout between President Donald Trump and his biggest political booster, Elon Musk.

This is a critical and sober exploration of the political and budgetary challenges facing the country. It spares no criticisms of either Trump or Musk and is not meant for politically sensitive or easily offended partisans.

In it, we discuss Musk’s failed efforts to address the budget, his support for the formation of a new third party, and what the future holds for the world’s richest man.

We also place an equally critical lens over the Trump administration, examining the president’s time in office, the sum effect of his actions, and what the next three and half years could mean for the country.

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Episode Recorded on 06/09/2025

Trump vs. Musk: One Big Beautiful Blowup | Lawrence Fossi

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