In this interview, Shawn Ryan hosts Alexandr Wang, the founder and CEO of Scale AI, to discuss the implications of AI technology on national security, the economy, and the future of humanity. Wang shares his background growing up in Los Alamos, his early interest in coding, and his decision to drop out of MIT to start Scale AI. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including Neuralink, the potential for AI to manipulate reality, the importance of data in AI development, the AI race between the US and China, the use of AI in military planning, and the ethical considerations of AI. Wang expresses both excitement and concern about the future of AI, emphasizing the need for responsible development and international cooperation.