Chris Williamson interviews Naval Ravikant, discussing the relationship between happiness and success. Naval reflects on his past statements, emphasizing the complexity of happiness and suggesting two paths to it: achieving material success or renouncing desires. He questions whether happiness hinders success, arguing that it can lead to pursuing bigger, more meaningful goals. Naval shares personal insights, advocating for pursuing material desires first and enjoying the journey, minimizing suffering by reducing anger and emotional turmoil. The conversation touches on the fleeting nature of happiness after achieving desires, the value of earned money, and the importance of being selective about desires to achieve focus and success. Finally, they explore the pros and cons of fame, distinguishing between hollow fame and earned respect through contributing to society.