How to be great at systems thinking

This podcast episode explores the concept of "systems thinking" in design. The host interviews several designers, including Balint (Craftdocs co-founder), Ryo Lu (Head of Design at Cursor, formerly Notion), Joel Lewenstein (Head of Product Design at Anthropic), and Catt Small (Asana), to understand what systems thinking entails in practice. The discussion contrasts systems thinking with a more isolated approach to problem-solving, highlighting the benefits of designing interconnected, reusable components that anticipate future needs and contribute to a broader product strategy. Examples from various products like Notion, Claude, Asana, and Maven illustrate how this approach leads to simpler, more scalable, and impactful designs. The episode also briefly touches on the importance of demonstrating the ROI of design features to gain business buy-in.