In this interview podcast, Marcelo Lebre interviews Palmer, the founder of Oculus and Anduril, at the Anduril offices. They discuss Anduril's founding story, its unique approach to defense technology by combining hardware and software through the Lattice operating system, and its product portfolio. Palmer shares his views on the ethical use of technology, drawing historical parallels, and the importance of building rather than just debating the future. The conversation shifts to Palmer's other venture, ModRetro, focusing on the Chromatic Game Boy Color and the goal of replicating the feeling of nostalgia. They also touch upon the influence of science fiction and anime on his work, Anduril's anime-style trailers, and his personal interest in anime.