Elise Hu interviews Lei Cheng, a journalist who was imprisoned in China for allegedly leaking state secrets. Lei discusses her experience, the importance of cherishing freedom, and the need for a nuanced understanding of China. She reflects on her career pivot to journalism, her evolving understanding of freedom before and after incarceration, and the role of journalists in a polarized world. They explore the concept of defending freedom, the guardrails she sets for herself when speaking about the Chinese government, and her vision for a freer future. The conversation touches on the confusion of consumer choice with freedom, the challenges facing journalism, and advice for those feeling stuck in their own thoughts. The interview concludes with rapid-fire questions, revealing personal insights about Lei's life and values.
