In this episode of the L1A Podcast, Zach interviews Neil Cole and Curtis Sergeant about the role of APEST (Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Shepherds, and Teachers) teams in disciple-making movements. The discussion covers the current state of church leadership in the United States, where the teacher role has become dominant, and emphasizes the need to return to the foundational roles of Apostles and Prophets. They discuss how APEST teams can function effectively, highlighting the importance of each gift equipping others and working together, and address potential challenges and resistance from those in traditional roles. Neil and Curtis share personal experiences and practical advice for forming healthy APEST teams, emphasizing the value of listening, having fun, and recognizing the strengths of each member.