#250 Customer Insights | Matt sits down with Shoshana Kordova, a 3x founding product marketer and former journalist who now helps B2B tech startups craft customer-infused messaging through her consultancy, Peel Product Marketing. Shoshana recently launched a customer insights playbook for the PMM Jetpack, equipping marketers with tools and templates to run more effective customer interviews.

Matt and Shoshana cover:

Why a customer insights program is more than “just talking to customers” and how to turn interviews into a repeatable system that drives messaging, positioning, and case studies
How to collaborate across teams (especially with CS and product) to get buy-in and avoid stepping on toes
The most common mistakes B2B marketers make with interviews and how to get the kind of insights you can actually use

Whether you're a product marketer, content strategist, or leading a GTM team, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways to build messaging that resonates.

Timestamps

(00:00) - – Intro
(02:16) - – Meet Shoshana: From Journalism to Product Marketing
(03:26) - – What Is “Customer-Infused Messaging”?
(05:11) - – Why Customer Insights Beat Surface-Level Deliverables
(07:11) - – How to Work with CS and Sales Without Stepping on Toes
(10:11) - – Navigating Competing Priorities Across Teams
(12:31) - – Selling the Value of Customer Interviews Internally
(16:31) - – The 6 Steps to Building a Customer Insights Program
(18:26) - – Step 1: Aligning Goals with Stakeholders
(20:06) - – Step 2: Building a Customer Interview Pipeline
(22:11) - – Step 3: Keeping Stakeholders in the Loop (Hint: Use Slack)
(27:34) - – Step 4: How to Run a Great Customer Interview
(33:04) - – Focus on Problems, Not Just the Product
(35:39) - – Uncovering Real ROI with Better Follow-Ups
(36:49) - – Step 5: Documenting What Actually Matters
(39:09) - – How to Organize Insights into a Shared Database
(41:59) - – Step 6: Putting Insights to Work (Case Studies, Messaging, ICPs)
(44:19) - – Should You Hire an External Interviewer?
(46:34) - – What’s a Realistic Interview Cadence?
(48:04) - – Other Places to Find Customer Insights (When Interviews Aren’t Possible)
(49:39) - – Final Tips: Mining G2 Reviews, Webinars, and Internal Teams
(50:53) - – Wrap-Up and Where to Find Shoshana

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6 Steps to Building a Customer Insights Program with Shoshana Kordova

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