In this interview, Mark Zuckerberg discusses Meta's advancements in AI, particularly the Llama 4 models, highlighting their efficiency, multimodality, and the upcoming Behemoth model. He addresses the open source versus closed source debate, emphasizing Meta's focus on user value and real-world applications within Meta AI, rather than solely optimizing for benchmarks. Zuckerberg also explores the potential for AI in coding, the importance of physical infrastructure, and the co-evolution of humans and AI assistants. The conversation touches on the future of AI-driven social interactions, the need for healthy AI relationships, and the balance between innovation and potential downsides like reward hacking. Finally, Zuckerberg touches upon Meta's approach to AI governance, the importance of American values in AI development, and the potential for AI to unlock creativity and increase demand for human work.