In this episode of 晨读时间, Wucheng interviews Nick Bostrom, philosopher and futurist, about his new book, "Deep Utopia" (originally "The Place of the Future"). Bostrom discusses the concept of a "solved world" where technology has advanced to the point that all practical problems are resolved, leading to questions about human values and purpose. The conversation explores post-work, post-scarcity, and post-instrumental utopias, questioning the nature of work, the potential for boredom, and the challenges of maintaining human values in a world of advanced AI. Bostrom and Wucheng delve into the potential for mind-machine interfaces, the redesign of human desires, and the ethical considerations of digital minds, ultimately pondering whether such a future is optimistic or pessimistic and what trajectory humanity should take.