In this episode of Decoder, Nilay Patel interviews John Gruber about the future of Apple and the App Store. They discuss the Epic vs. Apple legal battle, Apple's shift towards digital services, and the potential impact on the company's revenue. Gruber shares his insights on Apple's culture, its relationship with developers, and the challenges it faces in the AI landscape. They also explore the implications of potential losses in revenue from Google Search and in-app purchases, and whether Apple is prepared for these changes. The conversation touches on Apple's manufacturing excellence, its role in global trade, and the need for the company to regain the trust of developers to foster innovation.
