This episode explores Apple's App Store policies and OpenAI's structure, alongside a segment on Italian brain rot. The hosts discuss a court ruling against Apple, highlighting the company's anti-competitive behavior regarding its App Store, including high commissions and scare screens, which aimed to prevent users from making purchases outside of Apple's ecosystem. Against the backdrop of this legal battle, the conversation shifts to OpenAI, where the hosts discuss the company's decision to maintain its nonprofit board's control and the implications of profit caps. More significantly, the podcast features an interview with Karen Hao, author of "Empire of AI," who critiques OpenAI's development practices, arguing that the company's pursuit of AGI involves resource extraction and labor exploitation, particularly in the Global South. As the discussion pivots to AI governance, Hao advocates for democratic input at every stage of AI development. In contrast to the serious tones of the earlier discussions, the episode concludes with a lighthearted exploration of Italian brain rot, an AI-enabled internet meme, reflecting the absurdist humor enabled by AI tools.