Why even self-help authors can still be messy.

Glennon Doyle is the CEO and Founder of Treat Media, an award-winning media company that makes art for humans who want to stay human. She is an author, podcaster, producer, and philanthropist. Her books include the #1 New York Times bestsellers Untamed and Love Warrior; the New York Times bestseller Carry On, Warrior; and Get Untamed: The Journal.

Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup champion, six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award and one of Time’s Most Influential People. She is a founder of Treat Media, and the author of the #1 New York Times Bestseller Wolfpack and the New York Times bestseller Forward.

In this episode we talk about:

Significant personal struggles that happened simultaneously for Glennon, Abby, and Glennon's sister, Amanda
How that led to them writing a book about the fundamental life questions they believe everyone grapples with
Why people in the self-help world don’t always have their shit together
Why trauma leads to dissociation
How to “go on” after the experience of grief
Why we are the way we are
Family roles, attachment theory, and learned behaviors
The possibility of personal change
Our thoughts on the latest season of the White Lotus
And much more

Related Episodes:

Abby Wambach On: Grief, Addiction, And Moving From External To Internal Validation
Glennon Doyle is Rethinking Her Relationship to Social Media, Hustle Culture, Intuition, Her Body, and Her Parents

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Additional Resources:

We Can Do Hard Things Book
We Can Do Hard Things Podcast
Treat Media
Untamed
Wolfpack
Intimate Terrorism by Michael Vincent Miller

Why Am I Like This? | Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach

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