This episode explores the escalating tension between President Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, focusing on the implications for the Fed's independence. Against the backdrop of Trump's repeated criticisms of Powell's interest rate policies, the discussion delves into the historical context of presidential pressure on the Fed. More significantly, the interview features economist Chris Hughes, who argues that Trump's current attacks represent a more serious threat to the Fed's institutional design than previous instances. Hughes emphasizes the importance of the Fed's insulation from political pressures, highlighting the legal protections afforded to the Fed chair, as established in the 1935 Humphrey's Executor case. However, the Trump administration's dismissal of officials from other agencies with similar legal protections raises concerns about the potential for Powell's removal. For instance, the Justice Department's argument against the 1935 precedent underscores the legal battle ahead. Ultimately, the episode concludes by weighing the potential for a legal showdown against the possibility of Trump allowing Powell to complete his term, emphasizing the significant market implications of either scenario.