Enjoy David's wide-ranging conversation with historian and bestselling author Rutger Bregman. You'll find that Rutger is both optimistic and realistic, with a deep understanding of how the past can teach us about the present.

Ruger's books include:
Moral Ambition: How To Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference
Humankind: A Hopeful History
Utopia for Realists: And How We Can Get There

You can find more information about Rutger's books on his website.

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Ep. 309: David talks with Rutger Bregman

Getting Things Done