This podcast episode explores the potential of Layer 2 solutions on Bitcoin. The main thesis is that BitVM technology can transform Bitcoin into a fertile ground for innovation and pave the way for scaling solutions, decentralized finance (DeFi), and enhanced privacy. The speakers delve into the technical details of Layer 2 construction on Bitcoin and explain how BitVM's bridge primitive can create new possibilities for developers and users alike. The episode also examines the challenges faced by Layer 2 solutions on Bitcoin and highlights the importance of balancing innovation with maintaining trust and stability.