This episode explores the detrimental effects of the Trump administration's trade policies on the US economy, particularly focusing on the negative impact on investment and economic growth. Against the backdrop of a belated birthday celebration, the conversation quickly shifts to a critical analysis of the trade policies, described as the worst the US has ever seen. More significantly, the discussion delves into the reasons behind Goldman Sachs' prediction of zero economic growth for the next year, attributing it to factors like tariff-induced uncertainty, the actual tariffs hindering access to intermediate inputs (illustrated with the example of molybdenum), and rising borrowing costs due to capital flight. As the discussion pivoted to China, the hosts debated the effectiveness of containment strategies and the pros and cons of a weak currency, highlighting the impact on borrowers and the complexities of achieving a weaker dollar through trade restrictions. In contrast to optimistic views on the policies, the interviewee argues that the policies are causing de-industrialization and capital flight, ultimately leading to a decline in the US economy. What this means for the future of US manufacturing and global trade relations remains uncertain, but the interview highlights the severe consequences of poorly conceived trade policies.