This episode explores the landscape of Generative AI orchestration, focusing on EPAM Systems' open-source platform, DIAL. Against the backdrop of rapidly evolving AI capabilities, the discussion introduces EPAM, a global professional services organization leveraging AI internally and for clients. More significantly, the conversation delves into DIAL's role as a central hub for integrating various AI models and tools, enabling conversational application mashups. For instance, DIAL allows users to interact with AI through a ChatGPT-like interface, orchestrating tasks across multiple AI assistants and tools via a protocol like MCP. As the discussion pivoted to scaling challenges, the interview highlighted the importance of structured prompting and the need for a hierarchical approach to managing a large number of tools. In contrast to simply generating code, the conversation emphasized the complexities of maintaining and updating existing large codebases with AI assistance, focusing on the human element of review and integration. Ultimately, this episode underscores the evolving nature of AI-assisted software development, highlighting both the potential productivity gains and the emerging challenges in workflow management and the human-AI interaction dynamic.