This episode explores the detrimental effects of perfectionism on creativity and productivity, particularly within professional contexts. The interview features Jon Youshaei, a video creator who initially struggled with crippling perfectionism, resulting in a limited output of only six videos in his first year on YouTube. He contrasts his experience with prolific creators like James Corden and Mozart, highlighting their numerous projects, including many "flops," as a key to their success. More significantly, Youshaei argues that perfectionism often masks procrastination, preventing the creation and sharing of potentially valuable work. Modupe Akinola, the host, reflects on Youshaei's points, adding the collaborative aspect of her own work as a researcher, emphasizing that perfectionism can hinder collaboration by preventing the sharing of "messy drafts" and the valuable input they can generate. For instance, Akinola suggests that the vulnerability of sharing incomplete work fosters a more generative and collaborative process. Ultimately, the episode advocates for embracing imperfection and prioritizing the creation and sharing of work over achieving unattainable perfection, emphasizing the potential for growth and unexpected success.