This episode explores the dark history of Johnson & Johnson, focusing on the company's knowledge of asbestos contamination in its baby powder and its subsequent marketing strategies. Against the backdrop of decades of internal documents revealing knowledge of asbestos in their talc-based baby powder since the 1950s, the interview details how Johnson & Johnson's aggressive marketing cultivated an emotional connection with consumers, despite growing evidence linking talc to cancer. More significantly, the discussion highlights the company's legal battles, including a $2.5 billion settlement and numerous lawsuits, and the FDA's delayed response to the issue. For instance, the case of Mary Pazder, an oncology nurse whose death from ovarian cancer is linked to the product, is presented as a poignant example. The interview also delves into the company's handling of the Tylenol crisis in the 1980s, revealing a pattern of inaction in the face of potential dangers. In contrast to the company's public image, the interview paints a picture of a corporation prioritizing profits over consumer safety and aggressively fighting against legal challenges. This episode reveals the long-term consequences of corporate negligence and the challenges in holding powerful companies accountable for their actions, highlighting the importance of regulatory oversight and consumer awareness.