This episode explores the influence of tech elites, particularly Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, on contemporary politics and business. Against the backdrop of Musk's erratic behavior and controversial actions, the conversation delves into the broader context of Silicon Valley's evolving relationship with political power. More significantly, the discussion highlights the overlapping connections between individuals who supported both Obama and Trump administrations, suggesting a fluidity in ideological alignment among tech leaders driven by self-interest. For instance, the hosts discuss the Biden administration's exclusion of Musk from an EV summit, a perceived slight that may have contributed to Musk's shift towards a more right-wing stance. The interview also examines Peter Thiel's role as a key figure in this network, highlighting his early support for Trump and his investment strategies that prioritize disruption and disregard for established norms. Ultimately, the episode raises questions about the extent of these tech leaders' influence, the nature of their motivations (ideological versus purely financial), and the potential for their actions to reshape the political and economic landscape.