This episode explores the complexities of the Israeli-Hamas conflict and its broader geopolitical implications, featuring an interview with Douglas Murray. Against the backdrop of the October 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, Murray discusses the ideology of Hamas, characterizing it as a "death cult," and analyzes the international response. More significantly, the conversation delves into the varied interpretations of the conflict within the American political landscape, particularly the contrasting views among MAGA Republicans. For instance, Murray highlights the perception among some MAGA supporters that the conflict is solely President Biden's responsibility and their tendency to overlook or downplay the actions of Hamas. The discussion also touches upon the challenges of achieving a lasting peace, given the potential for Hamas's ideology to persist even after military setbacks. Ultimately, Murray advocates for a paradigm shift away from the cyclical nature of the conflict, suggesting that encouraging the displacement of Gazans who wish to leave could be a novel approach. This raises questions about the future of Gaza and the role of the international community in addressing the root causes of the conflict.