This episode explores the concept of the "extended mind," a theory proposing that the mind extends beyond the brain to encompass the external environment. Against the backdrop of decades of limited progress in understanding the nature of mind and consciousness, the host interviews two leading philosophers, Dave Chalmers and Andy Clark, and a neurologist, Raymond Tallis. More significantly, the discussion delves into the implications of this theory, examining whether tools like smartphones become part of our memory and even our personhood. For instance, Chalmers argues that the phone plays a role analogous to biological memory, while Tallis emphasizes the intrinsic extendedness of the mind through language and social interaction. In contrast, the host initially expresses skepticism, questioning whether this is a distinction without a fundamental difference. Ultimately, the episode highlights the nuanced debate surrounding the extended mind, emphasizing the need to distinguish between mind and consciousness and acknowledging the ethical implications of this perspective. What this means for our understanding of personhood and the future of technology in relation to cognition remains a central question.