This podcast episode explores the multifaceted nature of leadership, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness, vulnerability, service, and thinking out loud. The speakers delve into the challenges of leadership development, equity, and inclusion, highlighting the need for leaders to embrace unexpected skills, foster safe spaces, and overcome exhaustion. They discuss changing attitudes towards leadership among younger generations and suggest alternative terms and approaches that prioritize care, connection, and collaboration. The episode underscores the significance of leaders who are willing to learn, connect, and work together to achieve meaningful outcomes.