This episode explores the design considerations for humanoid robots, specifically focusing on the necessity of different degrees of freedom in various joints. Against the backdrop of analyzing existing robot designs like Engine AI and Unitree, the hosts debate the importance of each joint's movement capabilities, categorizing them as indispensable, needed, optional, or even "toxic" (unnecessary and wasteful). More significantly, the discussion delves into the trade-offs between functionality and design complexity, exemplified by the debate over the inclusion of a head and the nuanced role of elbows and wrists. For instance, the hosts consider whether a robot needs the ability to bend its knees for efficient bipedalism or if a simpler design would suffice for specific tasks. In contrast, the necessity of ankle movement is discussed in relation to maintaining balance on uneven terrain versus the simpler design of a ball-like foot. Ultimately, the episode highlights the complex interplay between engineering choices, intended functionality, and the cost-benefit analysis of adding or removing degrees of freedom in humanoid robot design, emphasizing that the optimal design depends heavily on the robot's intended use case.