This episode explores the roadmap and future of Ethereum in a competitive blockchain landscape. The interview features Alex Stokes and Barnabe Monnot, co-leads of Ethereum Foundation Research, who discuss their backgrounds and involvement with Ethereum. Against the backdrop of the upcoming Pectra upgrade (scheduled for March 26th, 2025, on the Hoodie testnet), they detail significant changes, including increased max effective balance for validators and enhanced attestation packing for scalability. More significantly, the discussion pivots to the challenges faced during Pectra's testing on Sepolia and Holeschki testnets, highlighting the complexities of large-scale upgrades and the importance of thorough testing before mainnet deployment. As the conversation progresses, the focus shifts to the upcoming Fusaka upgrade, projected for the end of the year, which aims to significantly increase blob capacity for rollups and improve the EVM Object Format. In contrast to the technical details, the discussion also touches upon the decentralized nature of Ethereum's development process, involving various stakeholders, and the challenges of balancing short-term needs with long-term vision. For instance, the debate around Justin Drake's Beam Chain proposal and its long-term implications is discussed, emphasizing the need for a clear North Star to guide development priorities. Finally, the episode concludes by examining the implications of applications like Athena and Securitize building their own blockchains, and the ongoing debate about the balance of power between protocols and applications in the evolving Web3 ecosystem, ultimately highlighting the importance of user value and the ongoing efforts to improve Ethereum's scalability and competitiveness.