This podcast episode explores the complexities of political polarization in the United States, challenging the notion that the primary divide lies between Republicans and Democrats. Instead, it highlights the significance of affective polarization and unpacks the role of political conversations, deep involvement, and the desire for expression in shaping political discourse. The episode delves into the disconnect between the deeply involved and those who are less engaged, emphasizing the importance of mindful communication and the potential consequences of disengagement for democracy.