This podcast features an interview with Emil Ejner Friis, a proponent of political metamodernism, discussing its implications for building a "listening society." The conversation begins with an introduction to metamodernism as a response to postmodernism's perceived failures in addressing societal well-being beyond economic output. Friis and the host debate the limitations of postmodern thought and the risks of reactionary responses to "woke" culture, highlighting the need for both personal and institutional change. Specific examples, such as the economic devastation of American textile towns and the political implications of social media algorithms, illustrate the urgency of their proposed metamodern approach. The discussion concludes with Friis's plans to engage with American audiences and promote a new form of progressivism.