This podcast discusses native rollups, a new Ethereum scaling solution. The hosts and guests explore the current problems with existing rollups (centralized sequencers, lack of interoperability, and separate security councils) and how native rollups, using an EVM precompile, aim to improve security and composability by leveraging Ethereum's Layer 1. The discussion includes technical explanations of precompiles and ZK proofs, highlighting the potential for increased scalability and value accrual for Ethereum. A key takeaway is that while native rollups offer significant security advantages for EVM-compatible rollups, non-EVM chains are left behind, creating a trade-off between security and customizability. The podcast concludes by emphasizing the importance of human coordination in the Ethereum ecosystem to realize the full potential of native rollups.