This episode explores the power of disruptive marketing and positioning, featuring an interview with marketing expert Dan Kennedy. Against the backdrop of Russell Brunson's experience with Dan Kennedy's teachings, the discussion delves into the concept of establishing a radical, attention-grabbing position in the market. More significantly, the conversation highlights the importance of theatrical marketing and leveraging opposition to one's advantage; for instance, the anecdote of Big Mike's unconventional trade show tactics illustrates this point. As the discussion pivoted to digital marketing, Kennedy emphasizes the need for a multi-platform presence to capitalize on the increased visibility generated by opposition, whether positive or negative. For example, the success of Glenn Turner's controversial multi-level marketing company, despite significant backlash, is cited as a case study. In contrast to traditional marketing approaches, Kennedy advocates for embracing controversy to generate curiosity and attract a more engaged audience. Ultimately, this episode underscores the value of strategic positioning and the potential for disruptive marketing to propel businesses forward, even amidst significant opposition.