HN771: Is The CCIE Still Worth It In 2025?

This episode explores the evolving value and relevance of the Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert (CCIE) certification in the dynamic networking landscape of 2025. Against the backdrop of a rapidly changing industry marked by multi-vendor environments, software-defined networking, and automation, the hosts question whether the CCIE remains the gold standard. Eman Conde, a long-time CCIE recruiter, counters that the CCIE's value persists, not solely for Cisco expertise, but as a testament to deep networking knowledge and problem-solving skills highly sought after across various sectors. For instance, Conde highlights the continued demand for CCIEs in non-Cisco companies like Amazon, Juniper, and Palo Alto Networks, emphasizing the certification's representation of a broader skill set. More significantly, the discussion pivots to the current job market and compensation for CCIEs. Conde notes a significant increase in salaries, ranging from $140,000 to over $300,000, with the geographical limitations of previous years largely removed due to remote work trends. He advises CCIEs to confidently negotiate compensation, considering not only base salary but also benefits and quality of life factors. However, he stresses the importance of demonstrating technical proficiency during interviews, emphasizing the need to showcase skills beyond the certification itself. For example, Conde mentions that a strong resume, highlighting relevant experience and creating conversation points, is crucial for success. In contrast to the high demand and compensation, the conversation touches upon the challenges faced by CCIEs in the interview process. Conde observes a tendency towards overconfidence among some CCIEs, highlighting the need for strong communication and interpersonal skills. The discussion also explores the types of companies hiring CCIEs, including government agencies (like the Department of Defense), healthcare providers, financial institutions, and technology companies developing networking products. Finally, the hosts and guest discuss the importance of foundational networking knowledge, even in the age of automation, and the need for CCIEs to adapt and acquire skills in areas like cloud automation and AI to remain competitive. This means for the future of networking certifications that a strong foundation in core networking principles remains essential, complemented by expertise in emerging technologies and automation.